democratic solution

Let me just premise that this conversation has been going on for a couple thousand years.

build anything yet?

Haven't got the budget for it.

People these days really underestimate the necessity of financial backing.

one must work before he gets his paycheck

Gotta spend money to make money

then no body would have money.

Except thieves and conmen.

and who have I stolen from?

That's the million dollar question, isn't it?

If you lost all your money and possessions, how would you survive?

I'd earn it!

And how would you go about doing that?

"hey, for a day's worth of work, you feed me and shower me"

and how would you survive until someone agreed?

get cleaned up, get some clothes, get a job...

you know how many homeless people I've known through the years?

How would you pay for those clothes?

people are hard to fucking kill

they might go crazy, but they don't die easy

You say crazy like it's a bad thing

you don't know crazy

And you don't know me. So lets leave what who doesn't know what out of this for now.

There are exactly two ways to start in this life. To be given something, and to take it by force.

and you obviously don't know life.

If you strip it down to the very beginning, those are your two options. Because those with nothing, offer nothing, and are therefore useless.

well everyone is nursed as a child

there is no avoiding that

Which is being given something.

you're talking about the moral implications of stealing in a case where there are no moral implications.

not in the traditional case

I mean 'moral' as meaning right from wrong- yes, nursing a child is a moral action.

and it's a moral action for the child to accept this

I never brought in morals, actually. Only a choice between two actions.

Why someone choses which action they do is irrelevant

you're talking base states

because if it's not stealing, i'm not taking it by force. and it isn't given if it's earned.

so your case is moot

But they have to be willing to give you what you've earned.

you're as culturally evolved as ancient greeks.

people have been having this exact conversation for thousands of years.

apparantly!

Hey, how's that democracy treating ya?

it's a representative democracy- not direct democracy.

but it stems from the same origins.

you amaze me